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July 8, 2019 at 3:51 pm in reply to: What type of bell is this and does it have any value? #29384
I was hoping one of the others might answer, as this is a bell type that I don’t collect or deal with typically. You have what is basically a farm bell, for use on a large spread to call attention of the workers around the yard/fields. These are mass produced, so they do have some value but you would have to go online to auction sites etc. to get prices. We can’t give that data here; a) we would have to actually see and hear it, looking for flaws etc. b) prices vary greatly depending on where it is sold and what history it has and c) in this age of litigation we don’t want to open ourselves up if we suggest a price that turns out to be wrong for your area.
(Just too many people who want a free lunch!)
But it does appear to be in good shape!
A very nice bell!
Thanks for Sharing!
Could we get a shot of the attachment side too?
Also, is the pea inside still there? (Is it a rock or rough metal or a bead?)
Nice bell and good info!
We didn’t have this chain up in Canada so I knew little about it. I will keep an eye out for them now that I know!
Thanks for sharing.
Wow! Great Project! Sorry about my late reply, I have been pretty busy so don’t get onto the site as much as I used to.
I will try to answer your questions as well as I can, but I don’t make bells myself so take it as a starting point only!
You will need to experiment;
1) The ringing sound comes from the crystalline structure of the material. So the ‘coarser’ the clay, the less ‘ringing’ the sound. Having done some pottery in high school (way back when) I know that the clays are all different and can be different between batches, so uniformity is going to be an issue. You want it as homogeneous (even particles) as possible.
2) The second factor is going to be the thickness, as you know. This is a tradeoff between how HIGH a ring tone you want (thinner) vs the strength of the material (shatter when rung!). The thicker the bell, the stronger but the lower and less vibrant the tone.
3) Firing is going to also be important. I assume you know this though. The dryer the final product the better the ring.
Personally, I would try synthetic washers (like for a garden hose) rather than the wooden block. It’s a wind chime, made to hang outside in the (hopefully) moist air. Wood swells in moisture (ie fog) and cracks in heat (sun).
A ceramic clapper is likely best for the striker, and if you have a long enough bolt hanging down through the top should be easy to attach it with a simple tie knot pinched between a couple of nuts or something like that.
Hey, let us know how you did! If you do photos and a bit of a story I bet the site here might be interested in publishing it for you!
Is it possible to get a photo of the bell? Inside and outside, showing any markings and features. Also, does any part of it hold a strong magnet? Can you tell what it’s made of?
Unfortunately, We can’t do valuations, as it’s almost impossible without researching it in detail and looking at the area you wish to sell it in. All that plays a part and any evaluation would be no more than a very very rough guess. Best to look at similar items on e-bay etc. and watch what they sell for (not what the asking price is).
As an example, I just picked up a very nice brass singing bell, approx 7 inches in diameter and 4 inches deep. Heavily carved inside and out, even has the rubbing stick! Ideally it would be worth over a hundred dollars where I live. I got it for ten, it has a hairline crack in it that was almost impossible to find – I only knew about it when it didn’t ring properly! It wouldn’t show on a photo. Imagine if we had ‘valued’ it here! There is no way this would have been caught and I would have been out many dollars!!!
You are very welcome!
Glad to help.
I tried to short cut this search by contacting a member who has some better experience with musical handbells, but they didn’t recognize it either.
Here are your images!
I am going to look around, but this looks like part of a Paolo Soleri wind chime bell to me. (a Google search on the name will show a lot of samples of this Arizona Architect’s bell designs.) He had quite a number of styles, but with the clapper, wind flap, and top hangers missing, it’s difficult to tell if this is his or a similar design by another.
Perhaps one of the other members will recognize it.
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Unless you have a specific photo program for your phone, you will need to use a cloud service to either; post the photos (share the link), or reduce the photo size (ie http://picresize.com/). Alternatively send the photos to your computer and do the resize there.
or you can send them to firstname.lastname@example.org and I’ll try and post them for you.
(I don’t want to get your hopes up, but the only ship I can find in reference to the bell inscription is the Santana, Humphrey Bogart’s sloop. It’s about the right age and, of course, he could very well have “Hollywood” on it! (grin, as I recall he had some kind of work there!). You might search on line for a Bogart site and ask them about the boat and it’s bell if you want to short circuit this lead!)
I am sure we will try Curt!
Is it possible to get a photo of the inside as well?
We are looking for the clapper, the clapper attachment, and wear marks on the inside.
Does it hold a strong magnet anywhere?
Could you post some photos please?
It would help.
I haven’t gotten your bell photos yet, just in case you sent them.
Bet you thought I forgot about you! Nope, just been very very very busy. I’ve been looking through my old books and so far no match. I also have a few years of bell talk back issues, but that is going to take a lot of time, some are so old they are mimeographed not printed!!!
I notice where the clapper attaches to the handle that the disk appears to have 3 tab spots equally placed around it that allow it to be removed. Question: How does the clapper attach on the other side of the holes? (you may not have to open, read on!)
In particular, since the clapper hanger appears to be a stiff wire, I am wondering if it would slide down inside the holes or does it remain extended when turned over. If it does, the design strongly suggests to me that you are looking at an early form of a (semi)professional bell ringer musical bell, something like the photo below. Yours has a sealed bell skirt though, which would partially dampen the sound reverberations, although the ‘ripples’ would help offset that like in a loud speaker cone. The different clapper mounting holes would possibly allow for multiple clappers and moving a clapper around, each position or form giving a different sound.
I say semi-professional as I suspect that this is from a classroom set and the cover was meant to keep fingers away from the clapper until the player was better trained.
I will keep looking but this is what I feel we are looking at so far, from my reading.
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