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February 15, 2013 at 5:07 am in reply to: Help identify 16" Bell with Horizontal Piston Ringer #17268
Please contact me too. Thank you.
RobinFebruary 15, 2013 at 5:06 am in reply to: Help identify 16" Bell with Horizontal Piston Ringer #17267
Howard bells were made for diesels only. Please check out Curran Castings on the internet. It explains it all on his bell page. The air operated cylinder inside the bell was operated by air, not ever by steam and were not used widely until 1926 in the US. Some locomotive works made their own bells. Some bought them from foundries that supplied bells to different manufacturers of steam locomotives. The base of the lower bracket being flat or curved only tells you it was on a steam locomotive or a first generation diesel if the bracket looks like a steam locomotive bell. Other than the Howard bell assemblies, which looked like they were steam locomotive bells.
Bell assemblies were mounted on boilers, top or side, flat fireboxes, smokeboxes, on the front of locomotives, on the smokebox or on the running board or under the front running board and could have been mounted on the tender. Which gives you a curved, flat, tapered sideways or tapered front to back bottom of the base at many angles.
If anyone wants any information on their steam locomotive bells please check out steamlocomotives.com and contact me. I will include a photo of your bell on a steam locomotive or diesel locomotive, the year it was made, the manufacturer and what railroad it was used on in most cases.
Please contact me at my email address. I am interested in your bell and I have the original bracket for it. Your bell is about 16″ in diameter and about 16″ to 17″ tall?
Howard made bells for diesels. I can identify this bell for you, just email me. I can even find a picture of it on a locomotive for you if you wish. Check me out on steamlocomotives.com.
Sorry it’s been a while…
Interesting reading on this one. I can identify your bell for you and put it on a locomotive. I do charge a fee. My fee includes a Certification of Authenticity. I do appraisals as well. I also professionally restore steam locomotive bells. The magnet test I have never heard of. Brass or bronze should not have iron in them. Each manufacturer has their own formula for their bells. Iron is not in the mixture. Brass is made up of Zinc and Copper and bronze is made up of Tin and Copper for the most part. There are other metals added for different reasons of course. The only sure fire way of testing for brass or bronze is to take a dab of toilet boil cleaner and water and put it on a test spot inside the bell. If the spot turns brass the bell is brass, if it turns pink the bell is bronze. Once one is educated in the different metals and can tell how they tarnish it can be seen with the eye without testing.
I agree with the patina comment. But there are ways of putting it back on but you have do the whole thing. The inside is a matter of taste. I leave the insides as they are found. I only wash them out with hot soap and water. The only time I touch the inside is if someone has painted it red after it came off the locomotive. Then I remove the paint and leave it off. I have one bell from the 1880’s and the outside shines. The inside is full of clean soot!
The internal clapper is post 1924 in the USA. That was the first year they were used in the US. Canada use them in 1912. Your bell assembly is no older than 1900 and could be made up of different era parts. If you are interested contact me. I will need more information from you as well.
Nice historical piece you have there!
Hi. What is you question? I don’t quite understand. Sorry.
Question. Is the number stamped twice on the bell 4242 or 42 in two different spots. If it is 4242 that would be the locomotive number and with that you will be able to find out which locomotive and railroad it came from. Or I could help out. Let me know. I am pretty sure ships did not stamp there bells……….
Thank you for all that have replied. Greatly appreciated!
Hello. Did you ever find anything conclusive about your bell? The bell seems too large and too heavy to be from a ship. You can test to see if it is bronze by using a dab of toilet bowl cleaner on a q-tip. Anywhere on the inside or outside if you are going to polish it. If the spot turns brass it is a brass bell. I think it will turn pink though. That means it is bronze. The ringer, like others have stated is from a smaller diesel bell. 42 is the number of the locomotive. I can probably find out which railroad it came from is you would like to know. I spend a lot of time researching locomotive hardware.
Thank you very much. I did some research and found PRR made their own hardware from day one. Will make a nice conversation piece. What were they sold for in 1980? Thanks again!
Here’s some photo’s.
The rope arms have been broken off but nothing I can’t fix. When I’m done no on will ever have known. Unless it is a salesman’s sample. Then I am not sure if I should touch it. We will find out. Thanks. I’ll be looking for a 1/4 scale steam locomotive to go under it if anyone knows of one. 🙂
I will get a photo in here this weekend. The wooden bell mount made of oak is dated Dec 1974. So the bell was mounted on a wood stand in 74. This bell is identical in every way to the real thing. There is a name and number scribed inside the bell. It says “gresler 134”. Maybe this means something. Did PRR not start producing their own bells until 22′? I have a keystone publication that says something to that effect I am sure. I will have to double check. It will be interesting to find out either way for sure. Thank you for the info.
A good welding shop should be able to weld it up and then you or the shop can drill the hole back into it. If it is done right you won’t even notice it.
Your bell appear to be off of the Pennsylvania RR. They had bells that looked like yours.
Check out railroadiana.org and the PRR websites and steam locomotive pictures. I am sure you will find a bell like yours on one of the steam locomotives.
Have you had an answer on where your bell is from?
Check out railroadiana.org
I think your bell is from the Norfolk & Western RR.
Let me know if you discovered your answer.
I had to do major research to find out which locomotive my bell came off of. No numbers where stampe in it. But I found which locmotive and railraod it came from.