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    • #12575
      Carolyn Whitlock
      Participant

      Chris in London, England writes:

      I attach images of a large bronze bell found whilst metal detecting in London Colney, near St. Albans in the county of Hertfordshire, United Kingdom…

      I have attached images of the bell and one of the images attached is a line drawing of all four sides of bell depicting saints Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. This was professionally drawn by an archaeological illustrator showing detail not immediately apparent in the photograph.

      The bell is very large :110 mm high and 112mm diameter at base [about 4″ tall and 4″ in diameter].
      It has a patina as a result of long term burial; how long will depend on an estimate of date when made. It appears to have had a handle screwed into the top for hand-ringing .

      The bell has been stabilised and conserved by St. Albans Museum and provisionally dated as post medieval .This dating will need confirmation which I am hoping for your opinion. Your name AMERICAN BELL ASSOCIATION INTERNATIONAL INC. leads me to believe that you have a great knowledge of bells and
      all it’s associated subjects.

      I would be very grateful and honoured to receive your comments and opinions and will willingly supply any other information I can to help you form an opinion.

      With regards Chris.

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    • #23740
      jcoopklamer
      Participant

      I see there has been no other activity/comments on your post. I’m hoping you have found more information, as I’m also looking for historical information on a very similar bell.

      Perhaps you can help me identify this brass Pater Noster bell with musicians. I’m fairly confident it may have been an altar bell somewhere, as I don’t see liturgical bells being created for sport. I have seen an image of the same bell with a Tiffany & Co. clock inserted, roughly 1890.

      Side 1 of 4

      [URL=http://s59.photobucket.com/user/jfcoopjr/media/Research/BELL%2001.jpg.html][IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g295/jfcoopjr/Research/BELL%2001.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

      Side 2 of 4

      [URL=http://s59.photobucket.com/user/jfcoopjr/media/Research/BELL%2002.jpg.html][IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g295/jfcoopjr/Research/BELL%2002.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

      Side 3 of 4

      [URL=http://s59.photobucket.com/user/jfcoopjr/media/Research/BELL%2003.jpg.html][IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g295/jfcoopjr/Research/BELL%2003.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

      Side 4 of 4

      [URL=http://s59.photobucket.com/user/jfcoopjr/media/Research/BELL%2004.jpg.html][IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g295/jfcoopjr/Research/BELL%2004.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

      Diameter:

      [URL=http://s59.photobucket.com/user/jfcoopjr/media/Research/BELL2008.jpg.html][IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g295/jfcoopjr/Research/BELL2008.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

      Height:

      [URL=http://s59.photobucket.com/user/jfcoopjr/media/Research/BELL%2009.jpg.html][IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g295/jfcoopjr/Research/BELL%2009.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

      Clapper:

      [URL=http://s59.photobucket.com/user/jfcoopjr/media/Research/BELL%2005.jpg.html][IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g295/jfcoopjr/Research/BELL%2005.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

      Clapper w/flash:

      [URL=http://s59.photobucket.com/user/jfcoopjr/media/Research/BELL%2006.jpg.html][IMG]http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g295/jfcoopjr/Research/BELL%2006.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

      Even if it’s just a great reproduction, it’s a pretty bell with a resounding beautiful, and familiar tone.

      I’m always looking and listening to bells, and when I find something nice or unique, I usually try to buy it. This particular one was a flea market find.

      If anyone has any information or suggestions, I’d appreciate and welcome all leads.

      Thanks!

      Jamie
      Hudsonville, Michigan

    • #23741
      Carolyn Whitlock
      Participant

      Sorry, but none of your links or attachments seem to work. Please try again to post your pictures by downloading them to your desktop, entering a reply to this email, and clicking on “Upload Images” at the bottom of your reply. Attaching the pictures to a forum posting should be done the same way you attach a picture into an email.

    • #23750
      jcoopklamer
      Participant

      Thanks Carolyn, for such a rapid response.

      Sorry for the empty post. I was trying to follow the directions on how to post digital pictures on the forums, but apparently they didn’t link to the photobucket objects.

      Let’s try this again … I uploaded, but didn’t see anything with the post, so I’ll try dropping the thumbs into the discussion post.

      Here’s the liturgical/altar bell for which I’m seeking any information.

      Side 1 of 4
      https://americanbell.org/wp-content/uploads/BELL-01.jpg

      Side 2 of 4
      https://americanbell.org/wp-content/uploads/BELL-02.jpg

      Side 3 of 4
      https://americanbell.org/wp-content/uploads/BELL-03.jpg

      Side 4 of 4
      https://americanbell.org/wp-content/uploads/BELL-04.jpg

      https://americanbell.org/wp-content/uploads/BELL-09.jpg

      https://americanbell.org/wp-content/uploads/BELL-08.jpg

      https://americanbell.org/wp-content/uploads/BELL-05.jpg

      https://americanbell.org/wp-content/uploads/BELL-06.jpg

      Thanks!

      Jamie Coop-Klamer
      Hudsonville, MI

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    • #23754
      Carolyn Whitlock
      Participant

      Thank you, Jamie, for making the time to re-post the pictures using our new, easier method. What a gorgeous bell you have! Thank you for sharing it with us. I hope someone will be able to tell us something about your bell soon. Responses have been slow for awhile now but, hopefully, they will pick up soon.

      If you haven’t already done it, you might want to click on the “Notify me” box below the “Tags” box so you’ll receive a notice saying you’ve received a reply.

      Good luck!

      Carolyn

    • #23878
      FireFire
      Participant

      Hi Carolyn,
      I bought two old bells at a sale yesterday that seem to be Hindu prayer bells. Would you be able to provide more info on their possible history and value? The one with the red had a note attached that it was made with horse hair in the 1870s.

      Thanks!
      Greg

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    • #23911
      Garry
      Participant

      Hello Jamie!
      Welcome! Hopefully we can help you some what!
      I suggest you also try a search on this site for the evangelist bell, it’s one that has cropped up repeatedly here over time and has been pretty well covered, so I will just go into the specifics I think I see in your photos. I own a couple of these myself, but your’s is a very nice pierced version (has openwork). The crisper the design work on the bells the greater the likelihood it is original. When people copy bells the molds lose finer details. The openwork and the clapper suggest a later bell as the effort to do openwork that could last being used, for example, was too labor intensive for most manufacturers. The earlier clappers were typically more a ball hung on a chain, usually made from the wastes of earlier pours. Yours is well defined. Those two things together indicate either a quite high end bell or a later period where machining was easier and more wide spread. Higher end bells would usually be gold plated or of a very high quality brass (to hold more detail longer). Yours shows rusting on the inside. (I wonder if it would hold a rare earth magnet? That would indicate a high iron content.) Higher iron content is used to reduce the metal costs and usually gives a higher pitched ring I find. I agree it is likely meant to be an orthodox church hand bell, the quality is definitely good enough for a moderately prosperous congregation! I think it suggests something from the 1960-70ish era. How well does it ring?

      I am not sure if the posting of the other two bells are supposed to be with this one. I don’t see anything in this thread referring to them. I’ll check other postings to see if you maybe have them mentioned there and accidentally added them here?

      Anyway, welcome!
      Sorry about not responding earlier. I recently moved and have only now had the time to get back to my bell hobby. I just unpacked some of them (and some of my research books) just this week. That’s how busy I have been! Said books are in a different building right now, so I’ll check them out as soon as I can for your version. I seem to recall seeing it in one of them. I’ll let you know if I find it.

      Garry

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    • #23913
      Garry
      Participant

      PS. I didn’t see any posting in the small bells re: the two “FireFire” bell photos. I will say that they look very similar to ones I have. Mine are hotel bells. The finger one is typical for the front desk or bell desk during the day, a double bell is louder for a noisier environment. And the candle one is a typical night desk design (a small ‘hammer’ is used to ring it), the candle to illuminate the area so the client can find it to ring! I also have a neat one from an English Hotel (iron not brass) that has a candle and pull ringer. I am curious about the details of your two. They look fairly old.

      Garry

    • #23918
      Garry
      Participant

      I checked in Doona S Baker’s “Collectible Bells” book. It shows similar ones to your evangelist bells, which she notes as being used in monasteries as a greeting bell.

      Hope this helps you!
      Garry

    • #23932
      Carolyn Whitlock
      Participant

      Garry and Everyone Else,

      I apologize for all the duplicate photos of FireFire’s photos. I tried to repost his bells in an upright position but not only did they not post in an upright position, they were added to all other postings on this page! When I tried to delete them all, the picture in the original post of pictures of the Evangelist bell was deleted Hopefully, the webmaster can fix this for us!

      Sorry for the inconvenience.

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