Welcome to the ABA! Bell Talk Forums Small Bells small bell figural antique 1800 ?

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    • #12245
      tischglocke123
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      Hello, what it is for an figural bell, how old is it ?. In the inside there is silver, and the outside is gold ?. Can you help me ?. I have this bell of an whoman with 90 year´s become. She have the bell from his mother. The gravure on the bell is verry fine and small. How old ist the bell ?. Thanks from Daggi germany

    • #17449
      RonaKesselman
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      Hi Daggi,

      Welcome to the Bell Talk Forum discussion board! What you have is the bottom portion of a two part “WEDDING CUP”. A “wedding cup” consits of two bell shaped cups – a larger one formed by the skirt of a woman and a smaller one held aloft by the same woman’s arms. At weddings, a bride and groom both drank from the xups at the same time, the groom from the larger and the bride from the smaller. Legend holds that if both succeeded in emptying the cup without any spills, the marriage would similarly succeed. (from More Collectible Bells: Classic to Contemporary by Donna L. Baker; page 180.)

      Many bell collectors have such wedding cups in their collection. While not really a “bell”, the object is shaped like a bell and for bell collectors, such items give us an opportunity to expand our collections.

      Does your wedding cup have any hallmarks?

      Finally, here are several examples of wedding cups:

    • #17448
      tischglocke123
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      Hello, thanks for the answer. From which does this well engraved, decorated bell come? 1800 ? What is ist for an mateial ? it is like silver with gold.
      Thanks to you

    • #17450
      Garry
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      It’s very difficult to date these “bells” as they are still produced today!

      You need to find markings and this requires a close examination which is beyond what we can do on line, unfortunately.

      Add to that, the clapper is (likely) an added feature that could obscure the information we need. (I have never seen or heard of one of these having a clapper.)

      Try a magnet against it to see if it has iron in it, but most likely it’s brass with silver plating (giving the gold and silver look you mention). Notice also that the base is a bit bent out of shape from the clapper (happens when the item is a thin item like a cup is re-purposed into something else such as a bell.)

      The fact that the silver plate is being rubbed off indicates that it likely has some age to it, but that can also be a false indicator (you can rub the item with improper cleaning chemicals for example, to cause the same sort of damage!). Some silver plate has hallmarks though, so look very very carefully for them! They tend to be a bit hidden on some pieces. That would tell you the date.

      Garry

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