February 24, 2010 at 2:40 am #11382
Here are a set of 3 Graduated Crotal bells purchased from a Seller in Lima Peru.
Bell 1, 1 1/4 inch diameter – clapper pea holds a magnet.
Bell 2, just under 1 inch diameter – no magnetism
Bell 3, approx 3/4 inch diameter – no magnetism
Any thoughts on age? Authenticity?
I have no reason to question these ones for origin, but I suspect them to be from the 70’s rather than earlier.
February 28, 2010 at 9:59 am #15662maxkurilloParticipant
Garry; That guy from Peru again. Couple of months ago a seller in Peru wanted to sell me a three inch bell that had gold in it. After several e-mails he said all old bells from Peru have gold in them. I hope you did not have that golden sales job. What did the seller say the origin was? Any age except “old”? The two small bells are almost the size that were made in the western area of South America Peru, Equator up through the west coast of Panama to western Mexico an area called Mesoamerica. The shape of the two small bells is wrong, according to all the records and reports I have read for this timed frame, 600AD-1400AD. The large bell is quite out of the running for this time. It looks like a bell from early England. If the pea or clapper whatever you want to call it, holds a magnet then it is after the iron age. The introduction of Iron to South America was around 1600+/-. After about 1500AD small bells like #2 and #3 did not have the same status as earlier times. Just looking at the pictures we have no idea when or where these were made It would take a lot of research to classify them. I agree with you on time frame of the 70’s. Max Kurillo
February 28, 2010 at 9:30 pm #15663
Golden bells huh? Ah Gotta gets me some of them there bells! Well these have a golden tinkle but no gold metal, sorry!
Sounds like we have two different people. By old – I believe he was talking more modern and not ancient. He did not mention any particular date. My personal guess was that these are from the 70’s +/- 10 years, and I don’t think he knew the date himself, nor did he make any claims to anything other than ‘from Peru’ and ‘old’. His price was quite reasonable for this type of bell too (it’s the mail that gets you!).
I personally, typically use the term ‘old’ for the last 50 years, Vintage for 50-100 years, Antique for material in the hundreds of years old, and Ancient or Antiquity for those in the millennium (1,000’s) class. I have to admit, other than the USA’s Tariff act for “vintage” and “antique” I have not seen any consistent naming structure though.
I was more trying to find out if these bells were made in Peru or imported to Peru and if there was a way to more accurately date them. I hadn’t meant to imply they were a lot older though, sorry – I guess I used bad English. The one bell that looks repaired, I thought might give a clue.
I truly do appreciate your expert opinion that the date is about right and I read your reply with fascination. I hadn’t known all that history about these bells! Your words are always greatly appreciated!
April 3, 2010 at 8:41 am #15664ClochardParticipant
The two small bells look like llama bells that are sometimes put on the animals’ ears. A painting by Michael A. Hampshire shows preparations for the Festival of the Sun (Inti-Raymi) in Cuzco, the Imperial Inca capital. A pack train from Antisuyu is seen entering the city with the lead llama wearing a small open-mouthed bell on a strap around its neck. Every year, this festival is still celebrated on 24th of June when llamas are decked with crotals attached to their ears and necks by gaily coloured ribbons. I have a llama crotal from Peru that makes no sound. The pellet inside appears to be made of a tightly rolled ball of wool – possibly from a llama. I suppose the constant tinkle of a crotal on the ear is not always well tolerated by the wearer.
April 3, 2010 at 6:13 pm #15665
Clochard, Thanks for your input!
I’ll try and get a photo of that section of the painting! Hadn’t heard of the wool pellet idea, wonder why they bothered? An empty one would make as much noise.
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