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    • #10513
      robjohn
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      Need help finding info on large bell . Steel composition made by the J L Haven Company Cincinnatti Ohio
      26 Inch base No other info on bell Cannot find any info goggling Thanks inherited bell from old church blding

    • #12897
      Neil Goeppinger
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      Hello, You may be the same person who e-mailed me directly regarding a 26″ bell by this firm about two weeks ago, so I’m just copying the same information from that e-mail here rather than re-type it all. If you are not, then this information will be new to you. It seems too coincidental for two people to inquire about the same size bell from a rather obscure foundry in the same two week period. Anyway, the copy follows:

      I don’t have very much information on the J. L. Haven company.
      The founders name was Jas L. Haven (Jas is normally the abbreviation for
      James). The firm was established in 1846 but I do not know when it closed.
      The other name of the firm was Haven Malleable Castings Co.
      The casting of the name of the firm and the city into the bell itself
      instead of the yoke to which the bell was mounted was fairly unique for an
      iron or steel bell. This was normal on bronze bells, but wasn’t often done
      on iron or steel bells, because the bronze bell moulds were made of clay and
      other materials and the lettering was made of wax. The iron and steel bells
      were made in sand molds so it was hard to make the letters stay in place
      during the casting process made of fine packed sand. There were a few other
      firms which did this, but only a few, and none of the large producers of
      iron or steel bells did. I have found some dinner bells which read
      “Montgomery Ward” around the outside of the bell. I’ve wondered if the J.L.
      Haven company made them for Wards.

      I have a bell from this firm in my collection and one “0” is missing in the
      word “composition”.
      I’m sure the sand fell out before the metal got into the mold.

      This firm was not a major producer of bells as I’ve only come across a few
      bells by them in the 28 years I’ve been collecting. — Neil

    • #12899
      nightflier51
      Participant

      As for tonal quality, thes bells are superb as in sound. They almost sound like bronze. I have a 14 inch jl haven bell and it has a beautiful tone.

    • #12895
      Schmidc
      Member

      We just purchased an old home in Cleveland and found a Jas. L. Haven bell (16″ dia) with a yoke embossed Crystal Metal, Yoke No. 2, dated 1886.
      Does anybody have any information on this bell and recommendation on how to best restore it?
      The clapper rod is broken and the crank is loose, everything else is just rusty.
      Thanks, Chris

    • #12896
      jackbell
      Participant

      The parts did not go together originally. Someone has assembled it using a Haven bell and CS Bell Company yoke. A steel bell should be wire-brushed or blasted smooth. Brush on 2 coats of rust-inhibiting paint in whatever color suits you. A good machine shop can make a new clapper. Brazing the old one will probably not hold if you intend to ring the bell.

    • #12898
      Schmidc
      Member

      Thanks, that is really helpful. I will track the 2 separately

    • #12900
      Neil Goeppinger
      Participant

      Actually, I’ve had pretty good luck welding the round rod on clappers for iron bells. Sometimes I’ve been missing a clapper but had another similar clapper but the rod was too short or long for the bell I was working on, so I either cut out a length to shorten it, or found a piece of same diameter rod and cut a piece long enough to lenthen it, then ground a taper on both ends to be welded, then welded it, then ground and belt sanded it smooth so the entire rod ended up the same diameter. I think the same thing could be done with braze, I’m just better at welding. When you are finished and it is painted, you can’t see the work. Most welding shops could do it. — Neil

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