Looking for help identifying
August 17, 2008 at 4:22 pm #10953
I picked up this bell due to it’s interesting shape.
It appears to be brass, and doesn’t take a magnet.
It was said to be a dug up antique (red flag to me)
Not sure I believe the antique, I suspect it’s faked. I don’t
know that a buried bell would be in this good a shape.
But if you have a way to tell, or could provide information
on the style of bell, I would be interested.
I did pick it up for it’s unique style.
It’s about 3″ x 3″ X 3.5″ in dimensions and has a hole in the top where
I assume you would affix the clapper through.
August 18, 2008 at 12:52 pm #14051hjlongMember
This is either cast bronze or brass, is a small animal bell, and is probably modern. It could be from Cambodia. The hole in the top is unusual for an old bell and would be used for a more modern bell and would be used to thread a wooden clapper on a woven plant fiber cord with a knot to keep it from slipping through the hole.
Harry Long, MD
August 25, 2008 at 6:34 pm #14052maxkurilloParticipant
Hi Garry, You do have a neat bell. Lets take a look at it . The hole at the top–take a magnifying glass and look at the material at the hole, you can determine how thick the top is at this time (we will use that dimension later), is the finish or oxidation of the hole surface the same as the outside of the bell? Look and see how uniform round the hole is, has the hole edges been effected by oxidation caused by being buried, if the hole edges are uniform and somewhat sharp then it indicates not buried. Why! sharp edges on objects are the first to oxidize. // On the out side are there some symbols? What do they look like, any close up shots possible? Reach on the inside and feel if the inside has an indentation of where the symbol is (on the outside). // One question always is asked –How was this bell cast? Maybe we can find a clew at the top. The two loops, are they attached at the apex of where each loop half would meet? It looks like they are brazed together. You can also look at where they meet the top of the bell ( this will require some cleaning) is a bead of brazing apparent?–I have an idea the loops were attached after the bell body was cast. Now measure the side thickness at various locations on each side and compare them to each other and the top thickness. Let us all know what you find, have fun with it. M. Kurillo
August 27, 2008 at 6:19 pm #14053
Hi Max! Yes, I like it’s style.
I will certainly have a closer look when I get home tonight.
But I can answer some of your questions by memory.
1. Yes, it is evenly corroded inside and out. I don’t remember enough about the hole, so I’ll check that later.
2. There are no symbols on the side, What you are seeing looks like just another piece of corrosion to me.
3. The original owner did say that one loop was ‘repaired’. I don’t know what that means, I suspect that he was looking at the same thing you are and thought it was a repair job. I don’t see any ‘repairs’ myself. They do look like they were attached after the bell was made.
I’ll grab the measurements tonight and let you know!
August 28, 2008 at 12:07 am #14054
Here is the rest of the information you were looking for Max!
Excluding the pattern of 3 pipes around the top of the bell and the single pipe and lip combo at the bottom, and the bumps from corrosion, the bell appears to be about 3 mm thick. Lip at the bottom is about 5mm thick as is the doughnut around the top hole.
The top hole is not uniform, but actually is quite pitted and has more removed from one side than the other. Also to be noted is a small pin hole near the bell edge on the top directly between the two brackets. Even under a magnifying lens I can’t tell if this is a deliberately punched hole or not. The metal does not appear to be sufficiently worn around it to be corrosion, but the hole is a ragged oblong when viewed from the bottom.
The lip around the center hole appears to be deliberately placed (reinforcement?). One of the top braces is slightly higher and more of a hump than the other. They do appear to have been be joined at the apex or something was there and broken off (like a rod across the top).
Corrosion is heavier inside than out. There is one more small pin hole on the side that I have found. The inside appears to be rougher, possibly it was less finished, than the outside. At a guess it was some sort of rough sand casting as there are globs of metal inside and smaller ones outside (that you thought were a symbol of some sort). The outside appears to have been smoothed down but the inside is very rough.
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