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    • #11246
      Anonymous
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      Terry B. in Missouri writes:

      I have a friend who has an * ” X 6″ [I’m presuming it is an 8″ bell], 10 pound bell with a date of 1811 on it and a picture of Jesus and a lot of circles about the size of a quarter that goes all the way around the bell. The bell appears to be gold and he has been told by coin dealers and jewelers that it has gold in it. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks, Terry

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    • #14893
      hjlong3
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      A picture would be very helpful.
      HJLong, MD

    • #14894
      Anonymous
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      Terry,

      If you would like help in posting a photo, you may send the photo to me at coordinator@americanbell.org and I will add it to the original posting.

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    • #14899
      maxkurillo
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      Terry, Those coin dealers and jewelers must be really good to look at a bell and tell if it has gold in it. Did they tell your friend how much gold is in the bell. With gold prices as they are today, melt that bell down and you will be rich!!! (dream on). The only way to get metal content information is to take a sample of the bell metal and analize it in a lab. The out side color means nothing. I am in contact with a person in Peru that claims he has a bell with gold in it because some professors told him the local Indians, 400 years ago, made bells with gold in them, because his bell looks old. I explained to him all the information about the bell and called it a Pruivan type souvenir bell, he was very un happy to say the least. As your friend might be. I might be wrong but this sounds like a Mexican type souvenir bell.
      Max Kurillo

    • #14895
      Neil Goeppinger
      Participant

      Either 1811 was a very good year for Mexican makers of bells about 10″ in diameter, or else someone is making new bells with that date on them in quantity and burying them for a few months in the ground with a urine soaked diaper around them to age them quickly. I happen to think the latter is the case. Why don’t we ever see a picture or hear of one dated 1810 or 1812? — Neil Goeppinger

    • #14898
      maxkurillo
      Participant

      Hi Terry, Neil, et. al.,I am having trouble with the pictures but here are three Mexican type bells with different dates 1810, 1813, 1814 the dates go all the way to 1888. I have noticed that fewer and fewer Mexican bells are showing up for sale. Is anyone cornering the market, perhaps ther are on recall by the maker.
      As far as ageing the bell I guess the diaper method might work, it’s messy, stinky and is not the best treatment for the soil. If you are making bells as a bussiness this is not very cost effective, cast them and get them out asap. I like the paint on or chemical method, easy and just as effective. The best that I have found is; spray the bell with salt water several times a day for a week or so, wow what a finish. Without a picture of Terry’s friends bell we will never know for sure what it is.[attachment=2:2njk5c1h]1810.jpg[/attachment:2njk5c1h][attachment=1:2njk5c1h]1813.jpg[/attachment:2njk5c1h][attachment=0:2njk5c1h]1814.jpg[/attachment:2njk5c1h]

    • #14900
      JuliainTexas
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      I have had one something like the pictured “1813” one, I think in “less corroded” condition…may have had a little paint in addition to having been buried without the diaper? Wasn’t there an article about these “historic” bells in the Bell Tower a number of years ago? Gist of it was that they wre meant for the tourist trade and were NOT old. Just a lucrative home-based industry.

    • #14897
      maxkurillo
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      JuliainTexas, Yes, three issues of the Bell Tower mention these type bells; October 1986, page 19, Nov/Dec 1988, page 56 and March-April 2009 page 9-15, lots of good reading and pictures. Max

    • #14896
      Anonymous
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      Max is absolutely right!

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