EL CAMINO GUIDEPOST BELL VS. EL CAMINO ABA BELL
March 3, 2009 at 2:06 am #11079
I AM TRYING TO FIND AN EL CAMINO ABA BELL FOR MY ABA COLLECTION. I THINK IT IS THE 1969 ABA CONVENTION YEAR.
HOWEVER THE BELL IS NOT IDENTIFIED WITH THE ABA LOGO. IS THERE A WAY THAT I CAN LOOK FOR THE DIFFERENCE IN THE GUIDEPOST BELL AND THE ABA BELL? THANK YOU
August 30, 2010 at 4:47 pm #14517
🙁 I am still looking for the El Camino 1969 ABA bell. I would like any information concerning the difference in the identification of the ABA bell and the souvenir el camino bell. Thank you for any assistance Deb
September 6, 2010 at 12:18 pm #14518
per The Bell Tower, Jan-Feb 2002 “ABA Convention Bells” by Kathryn Stafford :
The 1969 convention was held in Pasadena, CA. The President was Robert Collins and the Convention Chairman was Edward Hardy. The bell was the El Camino Real lamppost designed by Mrs. Armitage Forbes to replicate the Old Missions Kings Highway.
So I take it; the 1969 Conv. bell does not have the date, place or city stamped on it, which is most unusal. Perhaps Kathryn can verify this. (Does anyone have the 1969 Bell Tower? Perhaps we could verify the item mentioned in the adv. for “69 conv.)
Ardis Copple of MN Chapter ABA
September 6, 2010 at 4:01 pm #14519
The bell that was used at the convention was the 1914 style El Camino Real souvenir bell. This was the first to be sold to the public by the Forbes, both Mr. & Mrs. Forbes was casting them at the time. Circa 1914 was the Pan American Expo and this souvenir was for the El Camino Real that connected the three main cities celebrating this event. After 1915 slight changes were made and the original design got lost in popular use and misuse of the desk bell. These were NOT mission bells, they are El Camino Real Bells. Max
September 6, 2010 at 4:25 pm #14520
I have the Bell Towers from 1969 and have skimmed through them but can find no mention of the convention bell!
However, Ardis is right, there is a nice article in the Jan-Feb 2002 Bell Tower written by Kathryn Stafford that shows a picture of the bell and gives some historical information. Thank you for pointing me to that article! I am in the beginning stages of writing a comprehensive update of the ABA convention bells that I hope will be ready for publication in mid-2011.
I’m curious to know if the “name plate” on the convention bell says something different from the regular El Camino Real souvenir bells. We are fortunate to still have lots of members who attended that convention and maybe they have one of the bells and can look at it to see what it says. I wasn’t at convention that year. The dates were July 1, 2, and 3 and I was married on July 12 so, needless to say, I had other things on my mind! Now, 41 years later, I am still an ABA member and I am still married to the same man!
September 6, 2010 at 4:47 pm #14521
I was not at the convention, we had to choose Belize or the convention. I provided several of my bells for the convention. Nothing was said about making new signs for them I think they they were sold as is. Two weeks in Belize was most exciting. Max
September 6, 2010 at 6:59 pm #14522
Do I understand you correctly, Max and Ardis? It is your understanding (or belief) that the 1969 ABA Convention Souvenir Bell was an exact replica of the El Camino Real bell made by Mrs. Forbes in the early part of the 20th century and was made from her molds so it is not any different from the ones she made back in the ’20s? Would it stand to reason, then, that the 1969 bells were probably made by the California Bell Company? If so, then it would behoove us to ask John Kolstad if he can shed some light on this mystery?
It just seems very odd that there would be no markings to indicate that the convention bell was made at a later date.
September 6, 2010 at 7:41 pm #14523
The El Camino Real desk bell that that was accepted as the Convention Souvenir Bell was cast by the Forbes. I had a collection of extra original bells that I made available, all the same. The name of the Forbes company, from 1908-1946, was” Bells and California Mission Souvenirs” , after WW 2 Mrs. Forbes sold her company and the new name was The California Bell Co. John gets all his detail history from me, he bought the California Bell Co after it had been sold the second time, I have hundreds of Forbes documents and records. Getting back to the convention bell, all the bells , at least the ones I provided, were not copies but were made by Mrs. Forbes, all the staffs had the same shape, bells connected to the swivel the same way, with the same type of clapper and the bottm side of the base all was the same with the words FORBES PAT 1941, no backing plate on the sign.
September 6, 2010 at 9:21 pm #14524
Up’s! mistake in the last line of my comments , should read 1914. fast fingers slow mined.
April 3, 2019 at 3:56 pm #29202
Has anyone ever discovered more information on the 1969 ABA Convention Souvenir Bell? The last post I saw was in 2010. I’d be interested in any information you have. Thank you!
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