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    • #11111
      Garry
      Participant

      Here’s an interesting bell I obtained from the same collection as the Wandering Lizard bell I just posted.

      It appears to be of an Elizabethan era lady well dressed with bonnet and fancy ball gown. She is holding up the sides of her dress, to dance I presume, resulting in a bell skirt that lifts on either side rather than sitting flat all around.

      It appears to be sand cast brass, with an iron clapper (more on that in a moment) and rocks gently from side to side due to the lifted skirt.

      3 3/4 inches high
      2 1/2 inches wide
      2 1/4 inches deep.

      The clapper is dome shaped with a flat bottom and marked with recessed lettering. “Peerage – Made in – England”

      There are a few of these around, being sold on a couple different auction sites, but none have a real explanation of it.

      I have seen two explanations for this marking.

      The first (and the one I believe) is:
      “Peerage” is a trade mark of Peerage Brass of “Pearson Page Jewsbury” of Birmingham England. This company used the Peerage mark from 1945 to 1971. I believe they are out of business now.

      As such, this would simply be a decorative English Bell from about 1965, I would guess. It may or may not be of a recognizable person as some they made were and others were not.

      The second explanation is that this is from the “peerage” series. A series of bells of nobility (peerage) and would therefore actually represent a known person.

      While this may be true, I find it somewhat less likely. If they would go to the trouble of marking it as a Peerage person, I would think that they would also put the name of the person or some identifying symbol at least.

      I submit this to the members here:

      Does anyone have any opinions or other explanations or definitive proof of either who this is of or what the markings are?
      Is my guess of date right?

      Thanks!

      Garry

    • #14583
      Garry
      Participant

      I should update what findings I have on this one.

      Peerage is a “brand name” for Brass items made by a company called “Birmingham Page Jewsbury Co. Ltd.” in Birmingham England. The Brand seems to have first gone into production at about 1945. The combination of “Peerage” with “Made in England” was used, apparently, mostly on “items with symbols” for the Irish market. I do suspect it also was used for items bound for other markets too.

      The consensus so far is that the figure is about 1930 in style, possibly American.

      I have seen a couple others of this type, but the clappers were standard “ball” type and not the “hockey Puck” “Peerage – Made in England” one. The owners of those bells unfortunately had no more info than I already have.

    • #14585
      hjlong3
      Participant

      Garry,
      I believe that this is a modern version of the Jenny Linde Figurine Bell. Jenny Linde was the “Swedish Nightingale” who was promoted by P. T. Barnum on a singing tour of North America. Barnum fell in love with her. Being the ultimate promoter, Barnum sold all sorts of memorabilia to commemorate her tour. Many versions of this bell were produced and sold then and subsequently.
      Harry Long, MD

    • #14586
      Garry
      Participant

      It’s possible Harry,

      But I have not come across a photo or description of her in that type of dress.
      I believe the style predates her, or is of a different country.

      It’s unusual to see her in the dance mode too, unlike today the singers didn’t dance much back then while performing.

      Garry

    • #14591
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Garry,

      Here is some information about Jenny Lind that I probably found online:

      Jenny Lind, the Swedish Nightingale, Bell

      Jenny Lind Made Her American Debut in New York City September 11, 1850

      In the 1800s, Lind was known in America and Europe for her beautiful voice and natural singing style. She made her American debut at the Castle Garden Theatre in New York City on September 11, 1850.

      Jenny Lind was born Johanna Maria Lind on October 6, 1820, in Stockholm, Sweden. She was only 17 years old when she sang in her first opera in Stockholm. Europe was caught with “Jenny Lind fever” by the time she came to America. Even Queen Victoria of England was impressed with her.

      “The great event of the evening. . . ,” Queen Victoria wrote in her diary on April 22, 1846, “was Jenny Lind’s appearance and her complete triumph. She has a most exquisite, powerful, and really quite peculiar voice, so round, soft, and flexible.”

      By the time of Lind’s American debut, she had already changed from opera singer to recitalist and included many popular songs in her performance.

      In 1850 P.T. Barnum paid her $1000 per concert to come to America. Barnum auctioned the tickets rather than sell them and through his expert promotional efforts, generated enormous publicity. She charmed listeners with her exceptional voice and, simple personality, and generosity.

      Carolyn

    • #14592
      Garry
      Participant

      Hi Carolyn!

      Interesting information on Jenny Lind.

      I have also been continuing research on this bell. From my contacts “across the pond” they are of the opinion that this is a figural bell representing a Milk Maid as opposed to a specific person. I do know that these bells were either of a specific person or to represent a class/job type by and large. So it is possible and the head gear is certainly much more of a ‘rural’ style so that is possible too. I am reluctant to put it down to a Jenny bell as it simply does not seem to have the ‘style’ (dress is of a plainer nature as is the hat) that I think she would wear. But a milk maid lifting her dress out of the dirt while she walks…

      Your thoughts?

      Garry

    • #14590
      hjlong3
      Participant

      Garry,
      This woman is wearing a Hoop Skirt; no working milkmaid would have worn hoops. This is a much more formal gown consistant with those which Jennie Lind wore while performing. You may wish to Google Jennie Lind and look at several of her portraits where she is pictured in gowns such as that portrayed on your bell.
      Harry

    • #14589
      Carolyn Whitlock
      Participant

      Garry,

      You asked for my thoughts. I have been an ABA member since 1967 and have only heard this bell identified as Jenny Lind. So, after reading many articles on figurine bells that have been published by ABA members over the years and listened to several talks about figurine bells, I accept that this bell is intended to portray Jenny Lind. But, I can’t prove it. Perhaps there is someone out there in “Bell Land” that has a copy of a Peerage Catalog that shows and identifies this bell.

      As you continue your research, you will find that there are many bells that remain unidentified. You will also find bells that have conflicting identities such as the one that is believed to be Madame Pompadour by some and Marie Antoinette by others. It’s all right to question these things. We all continue in our quest to learn about our bells.

      So, please keep on posting questions and pictures! Your postings add interest to our website and encourages people to share their knowledge.

    • #14588
      Garry
      Participant

      Thanks Carolyn!
      I am not intending to give offense of any sort – and I certainly agree that there are conflicting interpretation possibilties. I simply am bringing up what I, in my newbie ignorance, see as inconsistencies that may possibly shed new light when viewed again after time has passed and more data comes forth. I guess my two biggest concerns in identifying this bell are the hat (famous persons are not, from what I have been able to discover, typically portrayed with such plain head gear – unless they are actors portraying a part) and the way the dress is being held. It suggests either stepping through dirt or dancing, Jenny was a singer and dancing did not go much with singing back then from what I have been able to find out. They were more formal in the presentation of vocals. I have labeled the bell Jenny Lind but am continuing my research to resolve these two (in my mind anyway) inconsistencies.

      I was also particularly intrigued about your comment on Madame Pompadour, as I have just bought a bell supposedly of her. I’ll post it here when it arrives to get your opinion. The seller basically told me that his bell collecting friends identified it that way.

      I do value the opinions of the members here and hope that they are patient with me while I learn.

      Garry

    • #14587
      Garry
      Participant

      Oops, missed Harry’s comment just before Carolyn’s.

      Thanks Harry!
      Yes I noticed that the dress pattern was consistent with Jenny’s in a couple of images, most showed her much more fancily dressed though. I am not as familiar with the underpinnings of female dress 😳 back then, as I could be I guess. I suppose that a half or three quarter hoop arrangement would permit the dress to be lifted as it is depicted, I would think that a full length hoop arrangement would preclude a half moon lift of the hem though. But as I say, I don’t know the dress construction that well.

      I have been Googling Jenny and have seen a few photos of her dressed plainly, but not on stage so much and never with a hoop skirt with a plainer dress and never with a plain bonnet. Her formal dress pictures all show either a multi style hoop dresses (upper different than lower and differing patterns) and either no head gear or very fancy hats. Her more plain dress depictions are all without hoops and no hat or an odd one with a ‘flat top’ hat style. So I am wondering about the hat style (a maid’s bonnet) with a hoop skirt arraignment with a single pattern. I am thinking that this is either a very unusual ‘simplified’ depiction of a notable (Jenny) -[ not typically done by manufactures of that era they tend to want the fanciest depictions ] or [what the bell collectors in England are telling me ] a dressed up milkmaid (worker or class bell) dancing at a party.

      As I mentioned to Carolyn, I certainly do respect yours and other more experienced members opinions, so I have marked the bell as Jenny. But if I don’t ask the questions, even if they may be silly, I’ll never learn the details of bell identification from the experts like you two!

      Garry

    • #14584
      Carolyn Whitlock
      Participant

      The October 1984 issue of The Bell Tower has four pages from an old catalogue of the Pearson – Page – Jewsbury Co., Ltd. of Birmingham and London. There are pictures of many of the familiar figurine bells included on these pages, including this bell. Unfortunately, there are no names attached to the bells but at least we know these bells were sold by Pearson – Page – Jewsbury Co. I’m sure we have members who have copies of this company’s catalogs who may be able to find the names.

      The Bell Tower is the official publication of the American Bell Association International, Inc. Reprints of articles are available from the ABA Historian for the cost of copying and postage. When contacting the Historian, please include the title of the article and the month, year, and page number of the issue in which it appeared. Orders may be placed via phone call, USPS mail, or email. To order, contact: Jeannette Miller, ABA Historian • 2955 Park Place Drive, Lincoln, NE 68506-2818 U.S.A. Telephone: (402) 486-3405 • E-mail: prairiebel2@neb.rr.com

      To find the list of available articles, please go back to https://www.americanbell.org, click on the menu option for “Bell Tower Directory”, and you will find a list of articles that are organized by category of bells.

      You can find a brief timeline and history of Pearson – Page – Jewsbury at http://www.gracesguide.co.uk/wiki/Pearson-Page_Co
      This page says that Peerage Brass became the successor to Person Page circa 1946.

    • #14593
      JuliainTexas
      Participant

      I also have a “jenny Lind” ceramic in simpler costume.

      This one smacks of the 18th century with its sideways extension of the skirt and upper draping, also the divided front showing an under petticoat, 3/4 sleeve with ruffle extending into the upper skirt. One had to “tip” the skirt if going through a doorway, due to the wide sideways silhouette supported by “pannier” over petticoats, but if she were walking through mud or wet grass, she’d have a different grasp…and such a lady would not normally BE in such circumstances! 18th century hair style would have been “up” or under a soft cap…can’t really tell with this depiction, but it’s not a brimmed hat (as on my Jenny).

    • #14582
      Peggy L.
      Participant

      After reading all the information on this bell I am surprised that she hasnot been identified as a rocker. I have 3 of these and they are all different bells. Try looking up rocker bells and you might find more information. They rock back and forward. Peggy

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