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    • #11121
      Garry
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      Ok you English Literary/Bar Fans! Help me with this one please!

      I have a bell of rather unique (to my Canadian eyes) character. I strongly suspect it has something to do with either an English Nursery Rhyme / Story or, perhaps as a symbol for a PUB. (i.e. Crown and Anchor, so: The Chimney Cat?)

      I’d like to identify the subject if I could.

      Vital stats: Bell is 5 1/4 ” tall, With the bell part being 2″ of that.
      It’s 2 1/2″ in diameter.
      It has a lead ball clapper on a chain with a slotted screw holding it in place.
      The bell has RAISED lettering inside “Made in England”
      The Back of the Chimney has INCISED lettering “made in england”
      Clearly a cast piece (in two parts), and does not take a magnet anywhere except the screw.

      I have included a few photos here and on the next posting of it.

      Thanks!
      Garry

    • #14613
      Garry
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      Here’s the last two images

    • #14614
      halanb
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      My guess is the Cheshire Cat from Alice in Wonderland.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheshire_Cat

    • #14615
      Garry
      Participant

      The cheeky grin does somewhat suggest that, but

      This cat always, as far as I know, hung out in trees. It was encountered in a forest on the way to a picnic not on a roof top chimney. Nor have I seen it depicted with a bow tie before.

      So I suspect it is an advertising piece for something else, perhaps loosely based on the The Lewis Carol character.

      It’s interesting that the bell has a strap type hanger too.

      Perhaps for a chimney sweep company?

      Garry.

    • #14616
      hjlong3
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      The odd shaped loop at the top of the cat looks like a bottle cap opener rather than a loop for a leather strap. I’ve seen this bell before and it was considered a novelty bell bottle opener.
      Harry Long, MD

    • #14617
      Carolyn Whitlock
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      Garry,

      Here is a picture of my Cheshire Cat. If you look carefully, you will see that it says “Cheshire Cat” on it’s belly.

      Carolyn

    • #14618
      Garry
      Participant

      Ok, That’s an exact cat match Carolyn!
      I have never seen it in the fireplace setting though, guess that’s what threw me.

      As far as it being a bottle cap remover- unless it’s a very unusual bottle this won’t work. The loop is too small and is missing the beveled edge to get under the cap. I think it’s just for hanging the bell from, Harry.

      I’ll chalk it up to a Cheshire Cat version that I simply haven’t seen before!

      Thanks for your help!

      Garry

    • #14619
      hjlong3
      Participant

      Check out the sharp ridge above the cat’s head below the loop. That is the part that lifts the cap off of the bottle. The loop at top goes over the cap.
      Harry Long, MD

    • #14610
      discovery
      Participant

      Here is a picture of my Cats.[/attachment][attachment=1:397nkxmj]cats4.JPG[/attachment:397nkxmj]

    • #14611
      Garry
      Participant

      Wow ‘Discovery’ That first one is the same as mine! I notice the other “cat & fiddle” is named as such. Do you have any history on yours that would indicate the subject(s)? Is it ‘artistic license’ at play and we have Lewis Carol’s ‘Cheshire cat’ in unusual poses or something else?

      Another Question: Do you believe it to be a bottle opener?

      I tried mine that way and there is simply no way the loop fits over the bottle cap in any fashion, to act as a bottle cap opener. Either the bottles in England are a lot (like 1/2 the size) smaller than the North American standard or this is only a hanging loop of some sort. (Sorry Harry, it simply does not fit a standard bottle top edge.) The hole is simply too small to get the edge of the cap far enough in to catch it’s lip.

      I look forward to hearing your response.

      Garry

    • #14612
      discovery
      Participant

      Hello Garry,
      I did not know you have written the answer. I not always read from an Internet.
      Yes, I am assured it is Lewis Carol’s ‘ Cheshire cat ‘, really, a bells with a smiling cat. I saw this bells in England.
      I think, the bells cannot be as bottle opener. you can use only for a hook for some stand with hooks or rack.
      But nobody know about a name “The Cat and Fiddle”,
      I also have found in England, where and pubs is often with the name “The Cat and Fiddle” and plenty brass items (you can see from photos).
      Sorry for my english. Thanks.

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