Another tolling hammer wanted
July 28, 2009 at 1:17 am #11207
The other tolling hammer referenced in the Forum is not a match to my American Bell Foundry Co. 34 inch steel church bell.
I went to their brochure for the illustration of the hammer I seek. I have the mounting bracket, but seek the cant-shaft hammer sized for this bell.
…a LONG shot, I know, but this seems to be the best place to ask, NO!?
Thanks for looking.
…oh, and here’s my restored bell, if I find a hammer, I’ll add the piece on which to mount it…
[attachment=1:2phny856]Bowlden Bell Catalogue Drawing with Tolling Hammer.jpg[/attachment:2phny856][attachment=0:2phny856]ABF34 completeVerticalsmall.jpg[/attachment:2phny856]
July 28, 2009 at 5:52 pm #14818
..and here is the “before” and “after” photos.
Ahhh, WD40 and a wire wheel plus LOTS of elbow grease!
But this bell had NO pitting or major rust, and still had grease in the bearing seats of the belfry stands!
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October 8, 2009 at 9:43 pm #14823nightflier51Participant
Hi The tolling hammer in the drawing of that bell is about the same as the one i have. I have no way at the moment to put a pic of it to show you but the stricker clapper looks like a judges gavel similar to the illustrated pic you have on here. Ron
October 10, 2009 at 4:04 pm #14822
Thanks, Ron. I guess a photo is needed of your tolling hammer, as in prior communication, I understood that yours had a straight arm, and the ABF as illustrated above has a canted, or bent arm.
Looking forward to your photo!
October 17, 2009 at 8:43 pm #14821nightflier51Participant
Mine is bent or canted . The shape is is like an L( but not as straight as an L) bend very same thing as in your sketch of the bell. Sorry i gave you wrong discribtion. I will get my nephew to photo it and try email it to you. my email is firstname.lastname@example.org. As i said the hammer is like the one in the illustration. Thanks Ron
October 20, 2009 at 6:46 pm #14820
Ron, that Email address in your last post was rejected as invalid!
I mailed through this forum too, I hope you got it.
I look forward to your photos and dimensions,
November 12, 2009 at 9:52 pm #14819
I found a tolling hammer… it fits our new ABF Co 36″, sister to the above referenced 34″.
Still looking for a tolling hammer for the 34″.
Here’s what it should look like:
(remember to click on the photo for full size)[attachment=1:2dlslihu]ABF 36 Binghamton NY Tolling Hammer restored.jpg[/attachment:2dlslihu]
…and here are the sisters, weighing in at 900lbs and 700lbs
That’s a 38 inch wheel on the new bell, with oil impregnated white oak bearing blocks in lieu of original roller bearings.
December 17, 2009 at 4:54 am #14827Neil GoeppingerParticipant
Your American Bell Foundry bells look great. In bigger sizes this firm used an unusual forerunner of the roller bearing in the journals at the top of the A frame stands. Regarding the tolling hammers, I have a few, but I don’t think they are identical to the one in your photo. There were several ways to mount them. Some had a mounting which bolted to the cross brace of the A frame stand about half way up and pivoted there. If you find one which looks right but doesn’t have the right bend in the arm, go ahead and buy it. You can heat it and change the bend to match your application (the bend is different for one pivoting from the cross brace than for one mounted to the same level as the feet of the A frame stands as in your photo). There were also some which had a hole and a wooden plug was inserted which made contact with the bell. That would have produced a more muffled tone. There were lots of variations in tolling hammers.
— Neil Goeppinger
December 18, 2009 at 9:29 pm #14828
Thanks Neil! Your insight is always appreciated! And I am flattered by your compliment on the bells.
I happen to have the two sizes in ABFCo bells that bridge the bearings/no-bearings transition.
The 34″ is steel on steel; the 36″ came from the foundry with those bearings to which you refer.
I noticed the company’s detail of those same bearings in their catalog from 1903, with a total of 4 rollers!!!!
I asked Todd Lower about replacements, but he had of none, and suggested perhaps bronze or aluminum bushings.
My temporary oak allowed me to set and swing the bell to make it ring while I search for alternative replacements. (Any suggestions are very welcome!)
As to the tolling hammer, none of my six ABFCo bells have holes in the belfry stand cross-arms to accept a bracket.
The 34″ bell came with the same bracket/pivot as the 36″ has for its hammer.
I AM familiar with such an arrangement, at least on other foundry’s installations.
I only have the same ABFCo catalog to which to refer, though that drawing is obviously iconic in that it shows a bell with no bearings, yet a wooden wheel!
The 36″ I restored had bearings at one time, but it has a 38 inch, 75lb cast steel wheel!! So the accuracy of that drawing’s detail is questionable.
Apparently advertising hasn’t changed over 100 years! HA!
I will continue, and with your insight, expand, my search for an appropriate tolling hammer, Thank You!
The wood plug hammer is interesting… I already constructed some white oak mallets, soaked in Linseed oil, so the grandkids could ring the larger bells without risk of damage to either the bells or themselves!
Thanks again, Neil. Ialways appreciate your insight throughout this forum.
December 19, 2009 at 3:20 pm #14826
I found the roller bearing illustration from the ABFCo catalog:
February 11, 2010 at 12:56 am #14825
a “BUMP” for a tolling hammer…
March 16, 2010 at 2:43 pm #14824
STILL LOOKING FOR A REASONABLY PRICED TOLLING HAMMER.
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